Ayun ([info]ayun) wrote,
@ 2009-06-17 12:25:00
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Thinking Along Other Dimensions
I'm really long past the age where it's acceptable for me to spend a lot of time thinking about how cool I am, or am not, particularly as it orients me relative to other people and especially when relative coolness is determined by scrutinizing the things I or other people enjoy spending time or money or thought on. But I totally do it anyway, and I think I've figured something out that makes sense of at least some of that navel gazing.* I'm not fond of the verb 'unpack' as in 'talk at length about using all my big words,' but that's totally what I'm about to do. Stand back, y'all!

It's been years now since the first pass at a Geek Hierarchy started making the rounds, and even longer since the rehabilitation and semantic relaxation of the word 'Geek' itself began in earnest but there's still no true consensus on the relative geekiness of any particular interest relative to another, and geek pride proclamations still come off a bit sweaty and overeager. Because people are people and people like to categorize. Preferably into hierarchies. I do it too, but never very successfully. Part of this surely has to do with the scattershot nature of my own interests. In addition to the usual self-consciously highbrow stuff you could guess I like just looking at me, I get a lot of genuine unaffected enjoyment out of what could be considered junk culture. I'm game for nearly any film movie or TV show if it's set in a high school, and, I'll keep saying it, I really liked that Paris Hilton album.** I like genre stuff, sometimes enough to do follow-up reading that involves comic books, and one afternoon a few months ago I actually killed a couple of hours on a weekend watching Battlestar Galactica fan edit clips on YouTube. So while I do consider myself "better" (meaning "in posession of more refined aesthetic sensibilities") than people who love the crap out of "Heroes" I regard that as a knee-jerk and rhetorically indefensible position. At best I'll argue that "Heroes" is not a very good TV show, but even that isn't as fun as it was when I was younger and meaner.

But even as I got more and more comfortable with the idea that it's not that cool (Shit! There I go again!) to give people a hard time about the things that they enjoy, especially when the whole pseudo-objective aesthetic criticism doesn't hold together, I still knew that my I-can't-help-it hierarchy still existed. I just no longer had any clue how I was doing the sorting. I only realized what it was like a week ago, and now, no joke, it's like seeing the world in a whole new dimension. Or, more to the point, along a whole new axis. See, the problem with most of these hierarchies is that they only operate along a single scale of variability. What you like matters, yes, but how much you like it matters just as much, if not more. I don't think I'm "better" than people who love "Heroes," I think I'm better than people who love "Heroes" so much that it matters to them in a very personal way what I think about "Heroes." I feel the same way about people who love "Lost" so much that it matters to them in a very personal way what I think about "Lost." And I watch "Lost!" I love it! I read epic close-reading academic analysis of each episode (sometimes)! I don't dislike tween Jonas Brothers fans because they like the Jonas Brothers, I dislike them because the degree to which they are into the Jonas Brothers sort of horrifies me. I'm not contemptuous of people whose opinions on abortion differ from mine, I'm contemptuous of people whose opinions on abortion are so strongly held they feel entitled to commit acts of intimidation, vandalism and murder on the basis of those opinions. And here all this time I thought I'd been making progress toward being open-minded!

Someday I'm gonna get to the point where I can be totally cool with anybody in the world and genuinely respect their humanity and not look for reasons to write them off for lapses in judgment, taste, hygeine standards, whatever. I'll probably die of old age the very next day. But in the meantime, if the best I can do is be slightly less of a reflexive judgmental asshole each day, I suppose I'll take it.

* You know what? No, it doesn't.
** Liking it does not mean I don't hate Paris Hilton the person, or, more precisely, Paris Hilton the cultural construct. Except for that cameo she did in that one O.C. episode. I thought that was kinda funny, albeit totally unconvincing.




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[info]silas7
2009-06-17 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I'm a Joss Whedon fan, but I'm scared of Joss Whedon Fans. Especially Reavers.

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I believe I am a 'bad' Joss Whedon fan.
[info]ayun
2009-06-17 10:55 pm UTC (link)
I went to one of the free word-of-mouth screenings of Serenity (and liked the movie a lot) and didn't feel the need to see it again just so I could 'vote with my dollars' by doing so. I bet there's a nickname for me, too!

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[info]encyclops
2009-06-17 10:36 pm UTC (link)
In other words, with you "cool" really does mean "detached!"

I don't have a problem with that. To some extent (but not an uncool, overly passionate extent) I agree. I'm just summing it up.

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[info]ayun
2009-06-17 10:50 pm UTC (link)
That's a pretty fair summary.

More precisely, it means "exactly as detached as I am." Because I'm just as capable of looking down my nose at people who fail to appreciate the things I like properly as at people who like the things I like to a degree I find off-putting.

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[info]kirkjerk
2009-06-17 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Is liking or disliking a Paris Hilton album more about one's opinion of Paris Hilton, or of the whoever they found to produce her work? I like the odd Britney and Madonna song but I've realized mostly because of how well its been produced, lots of nifty little hooks and what not.

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[info]ayun
2009-06-18 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Mostly it's nothing to do with her, and all about the producers/songwriters she worked with (picked?) but there are some aspects of the album that really leverage her image/persona to great effect. There's a song that's totally about Nicole Ritchie, and another one where a syrupy sweet lyric comes across as incredibly dirty because of who's singing it.

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[info]thisisthenow
2009-06-18 08:31 am UTC (link)
I would add on to your very appropriate and true analysis by saying that during our teen years up to today, we've seen a shift in the nature of these sort of hierarchies. Whereas before the Internet, I think there truly were hierarchies of fandom: you had groupies, fan club members who had the "special collectors items", more casual fans, and the newbies. If one wanted to get up in the hierarchy, one had to "pay their dues", whatever those might be. I would argue that these days fans are split into Internet (and IRL, I suppose, but only a fraction of what it was before) communities and subcultures that may contain these hierarchies on a smaller scale, but still contain enough information for anyone to be a casual or serious fan of anything without necessarily having to join the hierarchy.

I agree that the term "geek" is overused these days and too mainstream. I put the blame for this entirely on Wil Wheaton's shoulders (even though I think his blog is pretty well written).

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[info]ayun
2009-06-18 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Interesting - "newbie" is only an insult if you aspire to be hardcore, right? And the shift to online fandom does sort of short-circuit older models of currency. When it's all real-life interaction, you need physical demonstration of your geekiness - replica swords and whatnot. That's still totally a thing, but you can also make a time investment and get all knowledgeable (information is free!) and "prove yourself" that way.

I told Andy that I want to go to a comic con with his company some day and be their booth bitch. He sort of waved me off because, I think, I'd be really bad advertising for them. "Wow, you REALLY like Batman, huh? That's cool, I guess. Here, have a business card."

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[info]thisisthenow
2009-06-18 08:38 am UTC (link)
..and, and, and you have 313 Facebook friends, so OF COURSE YOU'RE COOL.

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[info]ayun
2009-06-18 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Or I just went to a really big high school.

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[info]velvetdahlia
2009-06-18 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Teaching was really effective at making me accept everyone-- people who you'd have these assumptions about would totally surprise you, and it was awesome. I miss that about teaching. Now, I'm so overwhelmed with the strangeness of Londoners, it's hard to even make any assumptions at all, though I know I do.

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[info]ayun
2009-06-19 03:55 pm UTC (link)
That's one of the things I like about work in general - you can't pick your co-workers, and they become a huge part of your life. So you've got to find commonalities and ways to respect each other's differences.

Not that I can't be driven crazy by co-workers, but I don't exactly enjoy every minute of a physical workout either.

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[info]_perihelion_
2009-06-18 11:51 pm UTC (link)
I kind of object to the repurposing of the epithet geek to mean any group that feels marginalized because of their interests. many of us endured years / decades of verbal (sometimes physical) abuse for our non-mainstream interests. but in the process we worked our [collective] asses off to remake the world around us into a place where techno geeks are some of the most successful people in our society. and now, when it doesn't have nearly the negative connotation to it that it used to, people are popping up all over saying that they are a such-and-so geek or a this-and-that geek. leaching off our hard earned cred.

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[info]ayun
2009-06-19 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Well, that's kind of what happens when you get to be some of the most successful (and therefore influential) people in your society - people come around to thinking you're actually pretty cool and want to get some of what you've got.

I tend to not describe myself as a ___geek, partly out of the same reluctance to muddy the meaning of the word, but that's because I'm a half-assed linguistics geek most people don't choose their words that deliberately. Once 'geek' became a verb, that semantic battle was over.

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